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Sundar Pichai, Google’s C.E.O., Testifies on Capitol Hill

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Lawmakers Grill Google C.E.O. Over Bias and Privacy Concerns

Sundar Pichai, Google’s chief executive, testified before the House Judiciary Committee and faced scrutiny from Republicans over accusations that the search engine’s results were politically biased.

Representative Matt Gaetz: “Your employees can get together and chat in groups, right? Google groups?” “Yes, they can.” “One of those groups is the civil rights group, right?” “We have many employee resource groups on which they can participate in conversations, yes.” “Have you ever looked into the conversation into the ‘Resist’ group?” “Congressman, no.” “Is it — does that strike — is that a surprise to you that there is a ‘Resist’ group?” “I’m not aware of whether such a group exists or not.” “If there was a ‘Resist’ group would that be the type of thing that you would want to look into?” “We have clear policies around how our products are built and —” “No, but if there’s a ‘Resist,’ you know that the ‘Resist’ movement is a movement built to resist the agenda of President Trump? If there’s a ‘Resist’ group within your company where groups of employees, not one, are getting together within that group to engage in discourse on company time with company infrastructure, does that strike you as the type of thing you would want to investigate?” “Congressman I’m not aware of any such group. None like that has been brought to my attention and, you know, happy to follow up, and understand the concern better.” “If you want positive search results, do positive things. If you don’t want negative search results, don’t do negative things. To some of my colleagues across the aisle, if you’re getting bad press articles and bad search results, don’t blame Google or Facebook or Twitter, consider blaming yourself.” “Right now if you Google the word ‘idiot’ under images, a picture of Donald Trump comes up. I just did that. How would that happen? How does search work so that that would occur?” “We provide search, today, for any time you type in a keyword. We, as Google, we have crawl. We have gone out and crawled and stored copies of billions of their pages in our index. And we take the keyword and match it against web pages and rank them based on over 200 signals.” “Does Google track my movement? Does Google, through this phone, know that I have moved here and moved over to the left? It’s either yes or no.” “Not by default. There may be a Google service, which you have opted in to use. And if —” “So Google knows that I am moving over there. It’s not a trick question. You know, you make $100 million a year you ought to be able to answer that question.” “Does Google now know the full extent to which its online platforms were exploited by Russian actors in the election two years ago?” “We undertook a very thorough investigation, and in 2016 we now know that there were two main ad accounts linked to Russia, which you know, advertised on Google for about $4,700 in advertising. We also found other limited —” “Total of $4,700?” “That’s right.”

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Sundar Pichai, Google’s chief executive, testified before the House Judiciary Committee and faced scrutiny from Republicans over accusations that the search engine’s results were politically biased.CreditCredit...Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times

• Sundar Pichai, Google’s chief executive, testified today before the House Judiciary Committee.

• Republicans expressed a growing distrust of the company, while Democrats raised concerns about Google’s privacy practices.

• Many lawmakers also expressed concern about the tracking of people’s locations.

Republican lawmakers displayed the party’s growing distrust toward Google, raising a broad array of tough questions on the search giant’s market power, plans to relaunch service in China, and whether the site suppresses conservative content. At the core of their questions was a concern over the company’s commitment to free expression.

“All of these topics — competition, censorship, bias and others — point to one fundamental question that demands the nation’s attention,” said Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House Republican leader. “Are America’s technology companies serving as instruments of freedom or instruments of control?”

“Because a free world depends on a free internet, we need to know that Google is on the side of the free world,” Mr. McCarthy said.

Representative Robert W. Goodlatte of Virginia, the Republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee, highlighted the importance of scrutinizing Google because of the company’s market power in search, cloud-based email and its Android mobile operating system.

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Mr. Pichai greeted Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House Republican leader, before the hearing.Credit...Ting Shen for The New York Times

Mr. Goodlatte also raised concerns that the liberal-leaning political biases of employees may also affect filtering decisions for its search engine. He mentioned a leaked video the day after the 2016 presidential election showing top officials lamenting the victory of President Trump.

“This committee is very interested in what justifies filtering,” Mr. Goodlatte said. “Given the revelation that top executives at Google have discussed how the results of the 2016 elections do not comply with Google’s values, these questions have become all the more important.”

Mr. McCarthy is among several Republican members who have made online political bias a talking point in campaign fund-raisers. Claims of anti-conservative bias within the technology of Google, Facebook and Twitter have been disputed by numerous technologists and academics.

Democrats had their own set of tough questions for Mr. Pichai on privacy and the company’s competitive practices. But they also expressed frustration with the political bias claims.

“I must dispense with the complete illegitimate fantasy dreamed up by some conservatives that Google and other platforms have anti-conservative bias,” said Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the committee.

Officials were expected to be merciless for Mr. Pichai’s first appearance before Congress. When he declined to appear in a Senate hearing in September, lawmakers called the act “arrogant,” and they put out an empty chair in his absence.

Though lawmakers asked Mr. Pichai a variety of pointed questions, they also lauded Google as an American icon.

“Your company should really be held out as a success story of America’s free enterprise system,” said Representative Keith Rothfus, a Republican of Pennsylvania.

“Despite the nature and scope of today’s hearing, Google is still the story of the American dream,” Mr. Goodlatte said.

“We do not want to impose burdensome regulations on your industry,” said Representative Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana.

Going into a third hour of the hearing, Republicans offered little detail on how they would follow up on concerns about privacy and anti-conservative bias.

Democrats, in large part, defended the company of political bias claims.

Representative Ted Lieu, Democrat of California, said negative news coverage of members like Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, were perhaps the result of his views on immigration.

“Don’t blame Google or Facebook or Twitter, consider blaming yourself,” Mr. Lieu said.

During Mr. Pichai’s testimony, the first question from Mr. Goodlatte was about whether consumers understand the frequency and amount of location data that Google collects from its Android operating system.

It was the first of many questions directed at Mr. Pichai about the collection of location data and apps that run on Android smartphones, some citing an investigation by The New York Times. Mr. Pichai said repeatedly that Google offers users controls for limiting location data collection and that it did not sell user data, carefully avoiding the question of how the company uses such data in the practice of selling advertising.

The sharpest exchange came when Representative Ted Poe, Republican of Texas, held up his smartphone and asked Mr. Pichai whether Google was tracking his whereabouts if he walked to the other side of the room.

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Representative Ted Poe, Republican of Texas, asked Mr. Pichai whether Google would track his whereabouts if he walked to the other side of the room.Credit...Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times

Mr. Pichai said, “not by default,” adding that it depended on the congressman’s settings on the apps he had installed. But when Mr. Pichai would not respond yes or no, Mr. Poe raised his voice and said Mr. Pichai appeared to be evading his question.

“You make $100 million a year,” he said to Mr. Pichai, who is one of the highest-paid executives in the technology industry. “You should be able to answer that question,” he said. “I’m shocked you don’t know. I think Google obviously does.”

Before the hearing, Google’s critics drew attention to their grievances against the company that became fodder for lawmakers.

A group of employees, who organized a walkout of 20,000 workers from the company’s offices last month over its harassment and discrimination policies, released a letter stating that Google’s concessions to the protests were not enough and that it planned to push for the end of mandatory arbitration in all cases and for all employees, including temporary and contract staff. The protests were prompted by an article in The New York Times in October revealing that Google had paid millions of dollars in exit packages to male executives accused of misconduct, while staying silent about the transgressions.

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Alex Jones, the Infowars founder, right, stormed through the hallways of the Capitol, chanting that Google was evil. Roger J. Stone Jr., left, the longtime political operative, was more reserved, but expressed similar concerns about Google and other internet companies.Credit...Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times

“But just as Google wants to convince the public that it can handle consumer privacy matters behind closed doors,” the employee group wrote, “it tells the same to its employees by forcing arbitration, requiring them to waive their right to sue or participate in a class-action lawsuit in all cases of discrimination.”

Separately, more than 50 human rights organizations signed a letter to Mr. Pichai demanding that the company stop working on Project Dragonfly, the initiative within Google to build a censored search engine that it may use in the Chinese market. A search engine that restricts content banned by the Chinese government is “troubling,” the groups said, because it would contribute to repressive censorship and surveillance.

Google has eight products with more than one billion monthly users, including search, YouTube and Google Drive, its suite of productivity apps. But a product that has struggled to amass users provided fodder for questions from lawmakers about Google’s handling of user data.

Google announced on Monday that it found a security vulnerability last month in Google Plus, the company’s answer to Facebook. The problem exposed the personal information of 52 million users to third-party developers even if the users had set their information to private. Google said it had no evidence that any developers were aware of or had misused the vulnerability during the six days that the bug existed. Google said it would now move up the timing of when it plans to shutter the consumer version of Google Plus, to April from August.

In October, Google announced that it found a similar security issue with Google Plus. Google found this vulnerability in March but did not report it immediately, waiting seven months to disclose the bug because it had found no evidence that anyone had exploited the problem to obtain user information. However, it brought new light to questions about how big technology companies handle user data.

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